If the answer is no, enough said! Its barely visible in the picture. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? I dont think so. Omg so well put! According to Pennsylvania State Police, Rorrer met Andrew Katrinak, the husband and father of the victims, in 1986. Thats all for this post. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. I expect she will admit it one day. . Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. None. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. Everyone lies. Deputies watched the house as often as they could - from the woods, the road and even from the air. He lived in 1928, at address, Connecticut. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. DNA tests showed that strands of hair at the crime scene and in Joann Katrinak's car matched Rorrer's hair. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. We lived close to one another. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. It was just assumed to be crib death. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. By continuing to use our site, you consent to the placement of cookies on your browser and agree to the terms of our Privacy Policy. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Andrew Katrinak is never more than a foot away from his telephone. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been imprisoned in Romania since late December on suspected rape and human trafficking offences. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Walmart woe. ANDREW KATRINAK OBITUARY KATRINAK Andrew G. Katrinak of Little Rock, Ark., beloved husband of the late Josephine Gawlowicz Katrinak, died peacefully at his home on Sunday, October 31,. I really never thought of it again.. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? He was born in Bethlehem son of the late Martin. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Not gender neutral. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. Search it out and check for yourself. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). It seems so, according to you. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. . ``This woman was a possible double murderer, so we had to protect the people out there,' Hege said. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. The additions come as KFC recently removed some menu items, including wings, popcorn chicken and cookies, to make room for new additions. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Acquaintances said Rorrer started dating Brian Ward, 34, in 1995. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. The state police targeted Rorrer as a suspect that summer, and troopers traveled to North Carolina eight or nine times, Kohuth said. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. 'Once you sign up, you do what you're told': Duke of Sussex tells trauma expert Gabor Mat 'a lot of us' in the Army 'didn't necessarily agree or disagree' with the West's invasion of Afghanistan but did 'what you're trained to do', Duke of York is currentlyrefusing to leave his 30-bedroom Royal Windsor Lodge, He proposed torun the Royal Estates, including late mother's beloved Balmoral, he fears he will be unable to afford its upkeep if the King cuts his 250,000-a-year grant. By posting your comment you agree to our house rules. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! Andrew J Katrinak, age 68, Drake, CO . Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Very similar. 6 people named Andrew Katrinak found in Colorado, Pennsylvania and 3 other states. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. DNA also doesnt lie. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Play it now! Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. A woman convicted in the 1994 murders of a Catasauquawoman and the victim's 3-month-old son was back in court on Tuesday. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. We will automatically post your comment and a link to the news story to your Facebook timeline at the same time it is posted on MailOnline. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. This isn't Rorrer's first brush with the law. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. Patricia is a evil monster. This article is little more than fiction. About a year ago, Rorrer told Myers about the investigation but said she had been framed. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. Ballistics experts determined that a bullet removed from Joann Katrinak's body was fired from a .22-caliber pistol similar to one Rorrer owned. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Police say Rorrer put a .22-caliber bullet in the mother's head, strangled the baby and placed him in the dead mother's arms. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. Browse Locations. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. Some people are just monsters. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. Andrew married Mary A Katrinak (born Ondek). Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. The feminist in me is, like, hell yeah!: Will men take the male contraceptive pill? Copyright 2023 PeekYou.com. Nailed? The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. Puny policy. Join Facebook to connect with Andrew Katrinak and others you may know. You know whats interesting? Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. Katrinak, Andrew J. Andrew Joseph Katrinak, 88, of Bethlehem, died on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at Blough Healthcare Center in Bethlehem. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Hair we go. I noticed quite a few errors myself. It was Mr Tates third appeal against his detention since his arrest. Its nine minutes into the video. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Deal refused. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. All rights reserved. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Justice is about uncovering the truth. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. THE COPS SET HER UP. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. No show. How would an intruder find it? And Patricia did live in another state. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Both were deceased. Dial-a-problem. This woman was obsessed and jealous. Thank you Kerry. Kurt Bresswein may be reached at kbresswein@lehighvalleylive.com. I thought the same. According to a police affidavit, Rorrer called the Katrinak house in mid-December 1994. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again.
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